by Wes Penre
Posted: Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:35 a.m.
This conversation between me and “Mike” at http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ happened during the last few days.
It started with one of my readers contacting me about a picture of a newsletter from the Vatican, posted by Mike. However, the newsletter was dated incorrectly (see the picture above). So I wrote to Mike, who is the webmaster of the Armageddon website, published by the Illuminati. Mind you, this Illuminati group is promoting themselves as being against the Powers That Be, and are the modern form of the old Bavarian Illuminati. They want humankind to wake up to the fact that we are controlled by the above Power Elite, and if we follow the advice of this Illuminati Group (yes, they are the real deal), the world will recover and prosper.
The response I got from Mike only strengthens the feelings I’ve had regarding their website, and those feelings are not very good. Why? You will see when you read the whole correspondence below.
The first letter was written by one of my readers, whom I call John for simplicity. Mike is the webmaster of armageddonconscpiracy/Illuminati, and Wes is, of course, me.
(NOTE: My letter to Mike, posted at the end, has been added to since I sent it to him, but the main message is exactly the same).
Dear Wes Penre,
Under webpage: http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Illuminati%28903482%29.htm, The Vatican Ban.
The English edition of the Vatican’s newspaper made the following announcement. Image: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/userimages/newspaper%284%29.jpg
Could you please verify the posted image date with the source again?
– The image date showed “Monday, August 12, 2008”
– But August 12 2008 should be a Tuesday, 2008 was a leap year.
– The Vatican’s own journal: “L’osservatore romano” (The Roman Observer) is a daily newspaper with six issues per week.
There is no issue on Mondays, to let the staff rest on Sudays.
Thank you and best regards,
It’s a fascinating phenomenon that people devote themselves to these date-checking exercises. In a world of defining your priorities, it seems somewhat odd for your readers to be spending their time engaged in this type of thing. They fiddle while Rome burns. It says a great deal about them.
The situation is in fact much worse than your reader suggests – the newspaper clearly isn’t anything like the official Vatican newspaper! It’s extraordinary that he discovers the detail while ignoring the much more glaring error. He’s more like Detective Dumb than Sherlock Holmes.
Go to this page http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Satan-Plan(1837991).htm and search for “Vatican Ban”. Your reader can’t even master the most basic research.
We now use this as a kind of test. Perhaps you should ask your readers why they check dates on our website rather than trying to overthrow Wall Street, Zion and the Vatican. No wonder the Power Elite are so secure.
In fact, perhaps you should post this message on your page. Isn’t this the time to be changing the world rather than looking up calendars? If people doubt what we say and who we are, they should go elsewhere and do something else. Isn’t that the rational thing to do? Do they think someone will award them a medal for autistically checking dates? Is that what heroes are made of these days? A few weeks ago, someone was stating “definitively” on the David Icke forum that the AC site was written by the bastard son of Aleister Crowley. We’ve heard all the nonsense imaginable.
We have absolute contempt for people who come to our site looking to “beat the Illuminati”. If they don’t like us, they can FUCK OFF! Anyone opposed to the Illuminati is a friend of the Old World Order. It’s time to choose sides.
I have read more from your website, and the information in itself is often very enlightening and very profound (and old as the ages, of course). I am one of those who read beyond debunked pictures like the Vatican ban.
However, what strikes me is the overall tone on the website. It is very hostile and aggressive. Religious people are trashed, laughed at, and even called stupid. To me, that’s very repulsive, and I’m sure it is for many reader as well. Your writing style (which I know is supported by the senior members of your Order) is not the sign of enlightened people.
Will people join your mission? Only a small group, I would suggest; the rest would probably feel like me — there is a lot of good information, but this Order is very antagonistic and controlling. If the world, with your help, would overthrow the Old World Order, what would remain? What would you do with the religious people? They are the majority, you know. Force them to change their minds by anger and hate – maybe even threats? Actually, you are wittingly or unwittingly supporting the diversion of this planet, which is contrary to your mission statement, saying you want to unite.
It’s a shame that a group with so much wisdom and knowledge doesn’t know how to use it. I must say you don’t even have the basic knowledge how to talk to “common people”. It strikes me kind of odd, actually. With the wisdom you have, you would have figured out how to communicate. Therefore, I have the feeling you DO know how to communicate, but the hostile tone is intentional; just more ‘divide and conquer’. You attract those who are already angry and make them more angry. Don’t we have enough of those energies?
Let’s say that you succeed in uniting the majority of the world population? Then what? Is your tone going to change then into becoming softer and more humane, or is this antagonistic, and yes – controlling – mindset going to continue?
You end your email with the mindset of George W. Bush: “You are either with us or against us”. This, too, indicates that the Order utilizes strict control in the resemblance of a cult made up of wolves and sheep. What happens in a cult is that the members don’t see clearly; they think the cult is the only way out. Who is in charge of your New World Order, Mike? “New boss, same as the old boss?”
No, there are never only two sides. As a matter of fact, taking “sides” only creates diversion: Old World Order vs. New World Order; Christians against Illuminists…you get the point. It’s never “us against them” — the goal is Unity, and that can never be accomplished with antagonism.
Thank you for your suggestion to choose sides, but I will continue reading from your site and take the best of it with me on my journey and leave the rest. That’s what I always do, anyway. Then I will continue walking my own path, and that does not include the “path of the Illuminati”, or that of the Powers That Be.
In your type of meritocratic society, which is a big part of your New World Order, there will still be a lot of Elitism. Meritocracy is not a political system (or shouldn’t be), it’s a way of living in a free society, where one’s talents and career in life are discovered at an early age, based on what the child wants to do, where his/her talents are, and finding their goals in life. Then society supports that. Everybody can change their mind anytime and choose a new career, which is also being supported. Sounds good, doesn’t it?
However (and there always seems to be a “however”), in the Illuminati New World, mothers and fathers are NOT allowed to raise their children; it will be done by special people, who “know” how to raise children. This goes against the whole purpose with bringing up children, who need their parent before anything else. Members of your group are obviously intelligent people and should have figured the following out. I agree that parents often don’t know how to raise their kids, but that’s because no one teaches them; quite the contrary — society indoctrinates them (which is not “teaching”) to raise their kids in ways that are not supporting the young. Hence, shouldn’t your group have realized that taking the baby away from the family is NOT the solution, but to EDUCATE the parents and let them keep their babies? The tone on your site indicates that you think parents are too stupid to raise their own children. Your suggestions on the website, Mike, are sometimes as suppressive as the current system, sometimes even more so.
Unless your Order comes to their senses and you start to share your knowledge with the public in the spirit of Unconditional Love as if it was the most natural thing (which it is), I am not taking your intentions seriously. You are talking about love and how important it is, and that it is GOD, but you are doing the exact opposite. How can people then take you seriously? Either you will not understand what I am saying here, or you are using abusive language on purpose. My hope, though, is that the Order takes this message to heart.
Regarding the picture in the Vatican Newsletter… So you are saying that you are using disinformation on occasion to “test” the reader. Those who go past the disinformation are those you want to keep, and those who look through it and point it out — not so much. Another form of Elitism and Indoctrination, Mike. Do you know the Truth or not? Because if you do, you want to educate EVERYBODY, and we should all have our opportunity to read and study the Truth. As I see it; if someone is reading past the “obvious disinfo” you are providing, and still supports your Order, s/he is easily manipulated, and THESE are the people you want, isn’t it, Mike? Yes, I told you in the beginning that I am reading past it, too, but not with the intention to join the Order or its values, but to learn from the information that rings true.
There are a lot of cults out there, but they have one thing in common: they hook the public with truth, not with lies. The more truth that can be revealed “safely”, the more chances of a large membership. This could also be the case with the Illuminati, but the majority of members you attract are those who vibrate on anger and discontent. That’s a low vibration you are putting out there the way you write. This is telling me, without a doubt, that the Order is not as benevolent as it depicts itself. It’s all in the vibration, Mike. And you know the expression, “as above, so below”. If the tone in your writing is “anger”, then this anger is coming from the top. I’ve had enough of anger and fear. That’s not enlightenment.
My point is that if you really wanted to enlighten the world, you would give everybody the truth, unconditionally, for them to take or leave, and not mix it with disinformation because you want to be “selective”. That’s Secret Societies all over again – Elitism! You are creating even more diversion – the “stupid who hang up on details” and the “smart, who see them but don’t care”.
Something is very fishy here, Mike, and I hope that you have the courage to expose what this “fishy” part is all about in your next web article. If humanity is to support a certain idea or solution because it’s the greatest good for everybody, they want the cards on the table, Mike, face up.
I hope people are smart enough to see through the deception.
And you’re right. I should go ahead and post your message to the world and I will also attach these, my comments, to it.