“New Boss, Same as the Old Boss?” – Correspondence with the (Bavarian) Illuminati


by Wes Penre
Posted: Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:35 a.m.

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This conversation between me and “Mike” at http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ happened during the last few days.

It started with one of my readers contacting me about a picture of a newsletter from the Vatican, posted by Mike. However, the newsletter was dated incorrectly (see the picture above). So I wrote to Mike, who is the webmaster of the Armageddon website, published by the Illuminati. Mind you, this Illuminati group is promoting themselves as being against the Powers That Be, and are the modern form of the old Bavarian Illuminati. They want humankind to wake up to the fact that we are controlled by the above Power Elite, and if we follow the advice of this Illuminati Group (yes, they are the real deal), the world will recover and prosper.

The response I got from Mike only strengthens the feelings I’ve had regarding their website, and those feelings are not very good. Why? You will see when you read the whole correspondence below.

The first letter was written by one of my readers, whom I call John for simplicity. Mike is the webmaster of armageddonconscpiracy/Illuminati, and Wes is, of course, me.

(NOTE: My letter to Mike, posted at the end, has been added to since I sent it to him, but the main message is exactly the same).

Love,
Wes

John said:

Dear Wes Penre,

Under webpage: http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Illuminati%28903482%29.htm, The Vatican Ban.

The English edition of the Vatican’s newspaper made the following announcement. Image: http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/userimages/newspaper%284%29.jpg

Could you please verify the posted image date with the source again?
– The image date showed “Monday, August 12, 2008”
– But August 12 2008 should be a Tuesday, 2008 was a leap year.
The Vatican’s own journal: “L’osservatore romano” (The Roman Observer) is a daily newspaper with six issues per week.
There is no issue on Mondays, to let the staff rest on Sudays.

Thank you and best regards,
“John”

Mike said:

It’s a fascinating phenomenon that people devote themselves to these date-checking exercises. In a world of defining your priorities, it seems somewhat odd for your readers to be spending their time engaged in this type of thing. They fiddle while Rome burns. It says a great deal about them.

The situation is in fact much worse than your reader suggests – the newspaper clearly isn’t anything like the official Vatican newspaper! It’s extraordinary that he discovers the detail while ignoring the much more glaring error. He’s more like Detective Dumb than Sherlock Holmes.

Go to this page http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/The-Satan-Plan(1837991).htm and search for “Vatican Ban”. Your reader can’t even master the most basic research.

We now use this as a kind of test. Perhaps you should ask your readers why they check dates on our website rather than trying to overthrow Wall Street, Zion and the Vatican. No wonder the Power Elite are so secure.

In fact, perhaps you should post this message on your page. Isn’t this the time to be changing the world rather than looking up calendars? If people doubt what we say and who we are, they should go elsewhere and do something else. Isn’t that the rational thing to do? Do they think someone will award them a medal for autistically checking dates? Is that what heroes are made of these days? A few weeks ago, someone was stating “definitively” on the David Icke forum that the AC site was written by the bastard son of Aleister Crowley. We’ve heard all the nonsense imaginable.

We have absolute contempt for people who come to our site looking to “beat the Illuminati”. If they don’t like us, they can FUCK OFF! Anyone opposed to the Illuminati is a friend of the Old World Order. It’s time to choose sides.

Wes said:

Hello Mike,

I have read more from your website, and the information in itself is often very enlightening and very profound (and old as the ages, of course). I am one of those who read beyond debunked pictures like the Vatican ban.

However, what strikes me is the overall tone on the website. It is very hostile and aggressive. Religious people are trashed, laughed at, and even called stupid. To me, that’s very repulsive, and I’m sure it is for many reader as well. Your writing style (which I know is supported by the senior members of your Order) is not the sign of enlightened people.

Will people join your mission? Only a small group, I would suggest; the rest would probably feel like me — there is a lot of good information, but this Order is very antagonistic and controlling. If the world, with your help, would overthrow the Old World Order, what would remain? What would you do with the religious people? They are the majority, you know. Force them to change their minds by anger and hate – maybe even threats? Actually, you are wittingly or unwittingly supporting the diversion of this planet, which is contrary to your mission statement, saying you want to unite.

It’s a shame that a group with so much wisdom and knowledge doesn’t know how to use it. I must say you don’t even have the basic knowledge how to talk to “common people”. It strikes me kind of odd, actually. With the wisdom you have, you would have figured out how to communicate. Therefore, I have the feeling you DO know how to communicate, but the hostile tone is intentional; just more ‘divide and conquer’. You attract those who are already angry and make them more angry. Don’t we have enough of those energies?

Let’s say that you succeed in uniting the majority of the world population? Then what? Is your tone going to change then into becoming softer and more humane, or is this antagonistic, and yes – controlling – mindset going to continue?

You end your email with the mindset of George W. Bush: “You are either with us or against us”. This, too,  indicates that the Order utilizes strict control in the resemblance of a cult made up of wolves and sheep. What happens in a cult is that the members don’t see clearly; they think the cult is the only way out. Who is in charge of your New World Order, Mike? “New boss, same as the old boss?”

No, there are never only two sides. As a matter of fact, taking “sides” only creates diversion: Old World Order vs. New World Order; Christians against Illuminists…you get the point. It’s never “us against them” — the goal is Unity, and that can never be accomplished with antagonism.

Thank you for your suggestion to choose sides, but I will continue reading from your site and take the best of it with me on my journey and leave the rest. That’s what I always do, anyway. Then I will continue walking my own path, and that does not include the “path of the Illuminati”, or that of the Powers That Be.

In your type of meritocratic society, which is a big part of your New World Order, there will still be a lot of Elitism. Meritocracy is not a political system (or shouldn’t be), it’s a way of living in a free society, where one’s talents and career in life are discovered at an early age, based on what the child wants to do, where his/her talents are, and finding their goals in life. Then society supports that. Everybody can change their mind anytime and choose a new career, which is also being supported. Sounds good, doesn’t it?

However (and there always seems to be a “however”), in the Illuminati New World, mothers and fathers are NOT allowed to raise their children; it will be done by special people, who “know” how to raise children. This goes against the whole purpose with bringing up children, who need their parent before anything else. Members of your group are obviously intelligent people and should have figured the following out. I agree that parents often don’t know how to raise their kids, but that’s because no one teaches them; quite the contrary — society indoctrinates them (which is not “teaching”)  to raise their kids in ways that are not supporting the young. Hence, shouldn’t your group have realized that taking the baby away from the family is NOT the solution, but to EDUCATE the parents and let them keep their babies? The tone on your site indicates that you think parents are too stupid to raise their own children. Your suggestions on the website, Mike, are sometimes as suppressive as the current system, sometimes even more so.

Unless your Order comes to their senses and you start to share your knowledge with the public in the spirit of Unconditional Love as if it was the most natural thing (which it is), I am not taking your intentions seriously. You are talking about love and how important it is, and that it is GOD, but you are doing the exact opposite. How can people then take you seriously? Either you will not understand what I am saying here, or you are using abusive language on purpose. My hope, though, is that the Order takes this message to heart.

Regarding the picture in the Vatican Newsletter… So you are saying that you are using disinformation on occasion to “test” the reader. Those who go past the disinformation are those you want to keep, and those who look through it and point it out — not so much. Another form of Elitism and Indoctrination, Mike. Do you know the Truth or not? Because if you do, you want to educate EVERYBODY, and we should all have our opportunity to read and study the Truth. As I see it; if someone is reading past the “obvious disinfo” you are providing, and still supports your Order, s/he is easily manipulated, and THESE are the people you want, isn’t it, Mike? Yes, I told you in the beginning that I am reading past it, too, but not with the intention to join the Order or its values, but to learn from the information that rings true.

There are a lot of cults out there, but they have one thing in common: they hook the public with truth, not with lies. The more truth that can be revealed “safely”, the more chances of a large membership. This could also be the case with the Illuminati, but the majority of members you attract are those who vibrate on anger and discontent. That’s a low vibration you are putting out there the way you write. This is telling me, without a doubt, that the Order is not as benevolent as it depicts itself. It’s all in the vibration, Mike. And you know the expression, “as above, so below”. If the tone in your writing is “anger”, then this anger is coming from the top. I’ve had enough of anger and fear. That’s not enlightenment.

My point is that if you really wanted to enlighten the world, you would give everybody the truth, unconditionally, for them to take or leave, and not mix it with disinformation because you want to be “selective”. That’s Secret Societies all over again – Elitism! You are creating even more diversion – the “stupid who hang up on details” and the “smart, who see them but don’t care”.

Something is very fishy here, Mike, and I hope that you have the courage to expose what this “fishy” part is all about in your next web article. If humanity is to support a certain idea or solution because it’s the greatest good for everybody, they want the cards on the table, Mike, face up.

I hope people are smart enough to see through the deception.

And you’re right. I should go ahead and post your message to the world and I will also attach these, my comments, to it.

Regards,
Wes

The 2009 VMAs: The Occult Mega-Ritual


The Vigilant Citizen, September 25, 2009
Published here: Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 5:09 AM

From unexpected drama to shocking performances, MTV’s 2009 Video Music Awards managed once again to raise eyebrows and get people talking. What most people however missed is the occult meanings encoded into the VMAs. The TV event was in fact a large scale occult ceremony, complete with an initiation, a prayer and even a blood sacrifice. We’ll look at the symbolism that went on during the show.
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MTV’s Video Music Awards have often incorporated dark and strange acts, even containing some occult symbolism. This year’s version has however outdone itself. The show left most people wondering what was wrong with Kanye West or trying compute the madness of Lady Gaga’s performance. The only way to understand the real meaning behind those performances is to look into esoteric teachings. Fact is, the whole awards show took the most common rituals of occult orders and reenacted them in a show witnessed by the entire world.
This year’s VMA’s were very different from other awards shows. They focused on a very limited number of artists (Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga), while ignoring many others who were equally successful. The “chosen” artists became characters in the VMA’s ceremony and acted out different ritual dramas. This might sound totally crazy to the average MTV viewer but those acquainted with the practices of occult orders (such as Freemasonry) can decode the references to sacred rituals.  There are numerous types of fraternities and rituals, from the most noble to the most infernal, and they have existed throughout History. The VMAs were decisively inspired by dark, sinister and even Satanic ceremonies.  Let’s look at those rituals.

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From unexpected drama to shocking performances, MTV’s 2009 Video Music Awards managed once again to raise eyebrows and get people talking. What most people however missed is the occult meanings encoded into the VMAs. The TV event was in fact a large scale occult ceremony, complete with an initiation, a prayer and even a blood sacrifice. We’ll look at the symbolism that went on during the show.

[…]

MTV’s Video Music Awards have often incorporated dark and strange acts, even containing some occult symbolism. This year’s version has however outdone itself. The show left most people wondering what was wrong with Kanye West or trying compute the madness of Lady Gaga’s performance. The only way to understand the real meaning behind those performances is to look into esoteric teachings. Fact is, the whole awards show took the most common rituals of occult orders and reenacted them in a show witnessed by the entire world.

This year’s VMA’s were very different from other awards shows. They focused on a very limited number of artists (Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga), while ignoring many others who were equally successful. The “chosen” artists became characters in the VMA’s ceremony and acted out different ritual dramas. This might sound totally crazy to the average MTV viewer but those acquainted with the practices of occult orders (such as Freemasonry) can decode the references to sacred rituals.  There are numerous types of fraternities and rituals, from the most noble to the most infernal, and they have existed throughout History. The VMAs were decisively inspired by dark, sinister and even Satanic ceremonies.  Let’s look at those rituals.

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New Jersey Mayors and Rabbis Arrested in Corruption Investigation


The Guardian, Thursday. July 23, 2009
Published here: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 7:22 PM

The FBI has arrested a number of powerful Jewish men in the USA, including mayors and Rabbis from New Jersey, and Jewish senior state officials, in an attempt to shut-down a multi-billion-dollar international Jewish conspiracy of fraud and corruption. Jewish organisations, charities, and synagogues, are being operated as fronts for very sinister operations on a “huge” scale. The Israeli/Jewish Maffia are involved in a wide range of crimes, especially the black-market in “human body parts” from vulnerable Americans, typically used to benefit of Jews living in Israel. Other crimes include “bribery”, “money laundering”, substantial “bribes” paid to manipulate the American political system, and more. This is a major event of an extraordinary proportions, but strangely major TV news and much of the corporate media in Western countries has been almost universally silent about it. ***
New Jersey mayors and rabbis arrested in corruption investigation
Two New Jersey mayors and dozens of political and religious figures were arrested today and charged in a massive bribery and money laundering scheme that included traffic in human body parts.
As part of an 10-year investigation into pervasive public corruption in New Jersey, hundreds of FBI agents fanned out across the state this morning to make arrests and search offices. Later, law enforcement vehicles crowded in front of agency offices as agents waited to unload their quarry.
Among those arrested following were Hoboken mayor Peter Cammarano III, Secaucus mayor Dennis Elwell, Jersey City deputy mayor Leona Beldini, state legislator Daniel Van Pelt, officials in the state capital, and several Syrian-Jewish rabbis who officials said laundered illicit cash through charities they controlled.
“The list of names and titles of those arrested today sounds like a roster for a community leaders meeting,” said Weysan Dun, a top New Jersey FBI agent.
The 44 people arrested today were snared by a single FBI witness who laundered $3m through networks with branches in the US, Israel and Switzerland, and paid more than $650,000 in bribes to the accused politicians, FBI officials said.

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Two New Jersey mayors and dozens of political and religious figures were arrested today and charged in a massive bribery and money laundering scheme that included traffic in human body parts.

As part of an 10-year investigation into pervasive public corruption in New Jersey, hundreds of FBI agents fanned out across the state this morning to make arrests and search offices. Later, law enforcement vehicles crowded in front of agency offices as agents waited to unload their quarry.

Among those arrested following were Hoboken mayor Peter Cammarano III, Secaucus mayor Dennis Elwell, Jersey City deputy mayor Leona Beldini, state legislator Daniel Van Pelt, officials in the state capital, and several Syrian-Jewish rabbis who officials said laundered illicit cash through charities they controlled.

“The list of names and titles of those arrested today sounds like a roster for a community leaders meeting,” said Weysan Dun, a top New Jersey FBI agent.

The 44 people arrested today were snared by a single FBI witness who laundered $3m through networks with branches in the US, Israel and Switzerland, and paid more than $650,000 in bribes to the accused politicians, FBI officials said.

One northern New Jersey man, Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, was charged with conspiring to traffic human organs. Officials said he promised to sell to the witness’s relative for $160,000 a kidney he had acquired for $10,000.

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The Panopticon – The Perfect Prison


Illumination: The Secret Religion, September 18, 2009
Published here: Sunday, September 20, 2009 at 9:19 AM

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[Jeremy] Bentham thought he had created the perfect prison design since, in theory, it would function just as well whether or not guards were actually present, and save a fortune on staffing costs, he believed. Prisoners, never knowing whether or not they were being watched, would be compelled to behave as if surveillance were constant and never ending. They would become their own guards. This is the precursor of Orwell’s Big Brother society where every citizen believes himself to be constantly monitored by the authorities via “telescreens”.

The Panopticon was never built during Bentham’s lifetime, but a number of buildings have been based on his concept.

Philosopher Michel Foucault used the Panopticon as a metaphor for “disciplinary” societies, and their desire to observe everyone and regulate everyone’s behaviour according to “acceptable norms”. Open-plan offices are a version of the Panopticon – everyone in the office can see and monitor everyone else. There are no hiding places. “CCTV society”, where cameras are positioned on every street corner, are part of the Panopticon tradition. If CCTV had been available to Bentham, he would undoubtedly have replaced guards with cameras and saved even more money. Vast, soulless, open-plan call centres where every member of staff is monitored at all times (by technology rather than by people) are almost perfect Panopticons. Bentham described the Panopticon as “a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example.” It would be hard to imagine a more sinister statement: an early declaration of mind control by the authorities.

Foucault said that all hierarchical organisations such as the army, offices, factories, banks, businesses, hospitals, schools, police, the media, the government, have a Panopticon mind-set. All of the lower ranks are watching each other, and believe they are being watched by the higher ranks. They are self-policing, self-regulating, self-censoring. Conformity is absolute. Mavericks are never tolerated.

The power of a disciplinary society is maximised when people police themselves in relation to sexual, moral, social, religious, intellectual and psychological standards. Prisons, schools and offices are not there to rehabilitate, educate and provide a creative working environment, but to control and dominate, to produce conformity, to restrict freedom.

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How 6,000 People Can Rule the World


Illumination, the Secret Religion: The Secret History
Published here: August 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM

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Just 6,000 people control the world. How is that possible? What factors must be in place for so few people to have so much power?
1)    The 6,000 people must have a common outlook and a common purpose. It would be a disaster for them if they continually fought with each other. The Old World Order are united by their insatiable desire for money and power. 6,000 is the number that allows them to share vast wealth. If there were too many – 600,000 or 6,000,000, say – their wealth and power would be massively diluted. Also, dissension amongst their ranks would be enormously more likely.
2)    The 6,000 people must exploit the threat of force to keep everyone else in their place. The army and the police provide this element of force.
3)    The 6,000 must be able to spy on everyone else. The secret services provide this function.
4)    The masses must be given the illusion of political choice. Democracy performs this role.
5)    The masses must believe they are free. To this end, they are provided with negative liberty. This is freedom from government interference (providing the people do nothing to challenge the government).
6)    The masses must have plenty of choice. Consumerism meets this need. People have endless products from which to choose. They confuse the ability to choose consumer objects with genuine choice.
7)    The masses must be fed and entertained: panem et circenses – bread and circuses – as the Romans put it. Supermarkets provide abundant cheap and convenient food and drink. TV, movies, theatre, music, nightclubs, bars, playstations etc provide abundant entertainment.
8)    From time to time, the masses must be able to disappear into an altered state of mind where they can temporarily put their daily problems behind them. Drugs perform this function. Alcohol, cigarettes and sedatives are the legal drugs provided by the authorities. The authorities also ensure that plenty of illegal drugs are available. (Ultimately, it is the 6,000 who reap the benefits of the international drugs trade.)
9)    The masses must feel they “own” something significant. Property is the means chosen. Many people practically worship their homes, seeing them almost as extensions of the self and essential to their identity. “An Englishman’s home is his castle.”
10)    The masses must believe that their grievances will be addressed. The legal system provides this function.
11)    The masses must believe that “wrongdoers” will be punished. The prison system serves this purpose.
12)    The masses must have some hope of an afterlife. Religion achieves this function.
13)    The masses must have hope of a radical transformation of their fortunes. Lotteries, gambling and the “American Dream” satisfy this need.
14)    The masses must have an intimate, loving, support system. Family provides this.
 
These 14 elements provide the basis of a stable society that can be automatically controlled by a small number of people without direct daily involvement. Above all, the masses must respect the 6,000 as the source of legitimate authority. They must fear the consequences of disobeying the 6,000.

Just 6,000 people control the world. How is that possible? What factors must be in place for so few people to have so much power?

1)    The 6,000 people must have a common outlook and a common purpose. It would be a disaster for them if they continually fought with each other. The Old World Order are united by their insatiable desire for money and power. 6,000 is the number that allows them to share vast wealth. If there were too many – 600,000 or 6,000,000, say – their wealth and power would be massively diluted. Also, dissension amongst their ranks would be enormously more likely.

2)    The 6,000 people must exploit the threat of force to keep everyone else in their place. The army and the police provide this element of force.

3)    The 6,000 must be able to spy on everyone else. The secret services provide this function.

4)    The masses must be given the illusion of political choice. Democracy performs this role.

5)    The masses must believe they are free. To this end, they are provided with negative liberty. This is freedom from government interference (providing the people do nothing to challenge the government).

6)    The masses must have plenty of choice. Consumerism meets this need. People have endless products from which to choose. They confuse the ability to choose consumer objects with genuine choice.

7)    The masses must be fed and entertained: panem et circenses – bread and circuses – as the Romans put it. Supermarkets provide abundant cheap and convenient food and drink. TV, movies, theatre, music, nightclubs, bars, playstations etc provide abundant entertainment.

8)    From time to time, the masses must be able to disappear into an altered state of mind where they can temporarily put their daily problems behind them. Drugs perform this function. Alcohol, cigarettes and sedatives are the legal drugs provided by the authorities. The authorities also ensure that plenty of illegal drugs are available. (Ultimately, it is the 6,000 who reap the benefits of the international drugs trade.)

9)    The masses must feel they “own” something significant. Property is the means chosen. Many people practically worship their homes, seeing them almost as extensions of the self and essential to their identity. “An Englishman’s home is his castle.”

10)    The masses must believe that their grievances will be addressed. The legal system provides this function.

11)    The masses must believe that “wrongdoers” will be punished. The prison system serves this purpose.

12)    The masses must have some hope of an afterlife. Religion achieves this function.

13)    The masses must have hope of a radical transformation of their fortunes. Lotteries, gambling and the “American Dream” satisfy this need.

14)    The masses must have an intimate, loving, support system. Family provides this.

These 14 elements provide the basis of a stable society that can be automatically controlled by a small number of people without direct daily involvement. Above all, the masses must respect the 6,000 as the source of legitimate authority. They must fear the consequences of disobeying the 6,000.

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